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weekend update

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Howdy, fandom.

The technobabble update is that I'm in the process of setting up a dev box. I've got the subversion repository set up, and now I need to configure it to allow multiple users. Then I need to install TRAC, and hook it in to the resository. Then we get coding. The dev team itself is not quite hammered out yet, but it's close. I still have e-mails to send and e-mails to read and e-mails e-mails e-mails, but once the hammering is done, I'll let you guys know who is rocking the behind-the-scenes development work.

One thing I really need to get better at is sorting or noting comments as they come in. I didn't make a running list of name suggestions as they appeared in my inbox, so it took me forever to go through the five pages of comments on that post and find them. Here they are:
  • our thing (okay, that's stil me, but a few of you said you liked it!)
  • postnet
  • crack rack
  • fanthing
  • fandomain
  • sanctuary
  • fantastica
  • fan_freed
  • zippy
  • fandom world
  • fanverse
  • fanspire
  • fanspiration
  • archnalunity
  • the place (because it's time)
  • fanhaven

Other suggestions?

And, last but not least, I set up fandom_flutter as a place to vent, share, post essays, etc. It's still moderated, in order to keep out spammers/advertisers/whatever, but I hope people who are interested in discussing the further implications of the exodus will head over there. I'm going to clear out the mod queue for this comm, and I hope anything that gets rejected will end up over there. I guess I'd like to try to keep this community for Project-related updates. I dunno. It's a fuzzy line. And I've maybe had some drinks, so it's clearly time to step away from the laptop.

the virtues of going non-profit

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elements  has another great post about users, representation, and "impossible possibilities" that we should all be reading. Many of the ideas listed are relevant to the project being discussed here. Snip:

"The only way we can move en masse to another site is if it's something with what we need built right in to the way it's structured. And oddly enough, the main thing we need is NOT "freedom of speech" or assurances that the site is fan-owned or pro-fan. What we need is a site that is designed with user needs taking explicit priority over profit, and with a user voice built in and guaranteed from the ground up.

What I mean by users over profit is not that the site can't make money. What I mean is that the goal of the people running the site shouldn't be making the site look good - ie, be "monetizable" - with the primary purpose of eventually selling to a bigger company or holding an IPO that will make the original financers of the project rich.

This needs to be a site created for the public good, and the public good ain't ever made folks rich.

Luckily, it's possible to run a small company without the need for insane growth and glittering visions of IPOs - provided you can get past the initial investment period and then get and keep enough regular customers to pay your bills and salaries. Even better, if the site were part of a nonprofit, there'd be a built in prohibition on IPOs and sellouts (though being a nonprofit is not a guarantee an organization will be well-run). Nonprofit doesn't have to mean financially struggling, or even poorly-paying for employees. It just means, not driven by the desire for exponentially maximized profit made on the backs of an uncompensated and unrepresented user base. It means, operating a public good.

So one possible long-term way out is the </a></b></a>otw_news model, whether or not a blogging service would be part of the fanarchive project. Another is some of what’s being discussed over at </a></b></a>fandom_flies. I lean right now to thinking it oughtn't be quite exactly either, because fans are better protected when intermingled with non-fen, and because, heck, I want to take all my Livejournal community with me, not just the fandom part of LJ. This journal isn't even a very fandomish journal. I want this site for a lot more than fandom, and I think other people would too.

A lot of comments to my User as Citizen post mentioned modeling after a credit union. I like that idea (it's the core of my stakeholder model for reforming existing sites, mentioned later). There are a lot of options when you're starting fresh and you want to be user-owned. As a company, you can choose a stakeholder/shareholder route; as a nonprofit, you can choose various types of membership; there are possibilities for combining in odd and exciting ways, with some legal consultation of course. I'd love to see these ideas built in from the ground up to </a></b></a>fandom_flies."

the following are presented without comment. except for the parts with comments.

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This is stuff from the mod queue and my inbox. I really love that you guys submit posts and links, and I really hate that giant red "reject" button, but I think it's better to try and round up links in news posts than fill up the f-lists of a couple thousand people (!!) with small chunks of info.
Now, in regards to the name post... we're not there yet, but I think we're getting closer. Some thoughts:
  • I agree with the many people who are against having the word "fan" in the name, because we don't want to alienate non-fen.
  • If, however, we're intent on something with that f-a-n letter combo, we should look for something where it's subtle, already part of a larger word (e.g., "fanfare," suggested here (with others) by copinggoggles).
  • I also don't think we want to be all INTRNETZ IZ SRS BIZNEZ about it, so we should go for something with a hint of whimsy.
  • tekanji makes a good suggestion here: "I would recommend combining two words that describe what kind of service you're offering (ala. Live Journal, Word Press, Type Pad). Maybe figure out what features will make your service stand out and create a name from that."
Further thoughts and suggestions? Keep 'em coming! I am obviously unfit to make naming decisions, because the Mafia fangirl in me will go with "Our Thing" and call it good. Remember that we can also make up a word or egregiously misspell something. It's the web2.0 way!

Introducing LJ United

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Hi. My name's Mark. Some of you might know me from as LJ's first "All things Business" Manager in the early, freewheeling days of the site before it started becoming yet another dotcom.

Recently, I created ljunited -- a coalition of LiveJournal users dedicated to putting forth a slate of two qualified candidates for the upcoming LJ advisory elections, drawn from individuals who believe strongly in the original promise of LiveJournal.

Specifically, we believe in:

Working with the community, for the community.
Honoring the status of every account.
(That means supporting and championing your free speech!)
Maintaining the uptime and performance of the site.
Staying advertisement free.
Never sending unsolicited e-mail.
Supporting the Free Software movement.
 
and ...
Protecting your privacy.

It's a simple promise. A list of goals to aspire to that plenty of LiveJournal members theoretically believe in.

... and yet, it doesn't always work out that way in practice, does it?!

Recently, I posted about  ljunitedto the  earlyadopterscommunity, which includes many of the earliest users of the site. 

The community's founder -- who is a strong defender of the rights of earlyadopters to maintain the free special features they were given -- recently quizzed me about  ljunited's platform, first asking me....

"when you step into, say, parryhotter, do you let them know how serious you feel about being allowed to write children's-book-inspired pornography?"

My reply was:
"I haven't had the time yet to really reach out enough to the fandom community, but when I do, you can absolutely count on me defending the right for people to write children's-book-inspired pornography. YES. ABSOLUTELY.

You might as well ask me if I would support jailing
Nabokov, or Henry Scott Tuke, for that matter.

Last time I heard, there were no minors harmed in the making of slashfic... and, in fact, many of the creators of slashfic are minors. And while I have heard it argued by some that their work has no redeeming artistic value, I have to wonder... to who?!

To me? Probably not more than a laugh or two at times. To someone who reads slashfic? Moreso.

It's a stupid question, in that it's like asking whether anyone in any given tenth grade English class is going to write something in that class of redeeming artistic value. Answer: probably not. But many of the young people writing slashfic will at least feel motivated to write regularly, and that's arguably a more significant accomplishment than than many tenth grade English classes achieve."

He went on to say:
"I personally think it's far more likely that the slash authors who are writing about child characters online are probably more likely to be child predators. . ."

... to which I responded:
"From personal experience running things at LJ for a long time, I think its safe to say that the facts do not support this claim, unless you mean it perhaps in some sort of vague statistical manner, such as:
"I think it's more likely that men who express an interest in women are more likely to be rapists."

Statistically? Well, yeah, it's probably true. But it's hardly an indictment or reason for preemptive steps against all men, is it?!

The fact of the matter is that during the years that I oversaw LJ's abuse department, there were exactly *ZERO* reported trial convictions of anyone on LJ related to child molestation."

As a final note, he wrote:
"You want me to believe that it's more likely that chilren are writing sophisticated sexual content surrounding the characters that are currently most popular to children, you show me. I personally think it makes a great cover for child sexual abusers."

to which I commented:
"Or a dad. Or an uncle. Or a priest. Or a babysitter. Or a teacher. Really, any family member, or any other person who is trusted with kids. That's who is statistically most likely to molest a child."

Basically, he doesn't believe that people under 18 write slash... so, if you or your friends either are or were involved in slashfic, yuri, yaoi, etc. before the age of 18, please let him know... and please ask your friends to do the same.... and as for all you adult fans out there, well... you might want to let him know that you're not actually a child molester, too.

As I said recently:

"What's a mistake, I think, is to think that the rights of those in  earlyadoptersand those over at  parryhotteraren't intrisically connected... because they are.

To those who don't believe me, all I can say is that you *ALL* had your rights once, and now some of you might not, or might feel that your rights are threatened... and you don't see any connection there?!

All too often, the management has played one minority after another against the weight of "public opinion". (Whose public?! Russia's? America's? LJ's?) The end result being that people's rights get infringed upon and rolled back, LJ dies a bit more, and there's a precident for even more rights to be taken away, usually for profit.

It's always easy to make a popular argument to take away someone's rights. But it takes integrity to defend someone whose rights most people do not need or use, based on solid principles. And sometimes, it takes a small army to not get steamrollered in the process."



That's why I stress the need for unity. Because, this isn't just about you. It's about us.

Join LJ United

Help us take strong, principled steps to bring back our rights, and to resist further attacks on our fellow LJers. 

We're looking for members who aren't willing to cave on issues involving the rights of any LJer, just because they happen to be an early adopter, or a breastfeeding mother, a survivor of child molestation, a sex-positive advocate, a Harry Potter fan, a Russian teen angry at the police, a Chinese dissident, a person who glorifies drugs, a person who worships a banned religion... or you.

"I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." - Voltaire

As we've seen, it's too easy to scapegoat one community or group of people.  That's why we need unity. Help us appoint representatives for LiveJournal who aren't *just* strongly supportive of fandom, but of ALL the promises that were made to us over the years, and of ALL our rights and freedoms.   

I don't care whether you are still on LiveJournal or have let your account go inactive, having moved on elsewhere.  There is still a fight to be fought, an argument to be made, and a reason to cast your vote and try and turn back the tide.

If you feel powerless and alone in the fight, but know some friends who feel the same way, spread the word, because WE WANT YOU.
If you would like to run as a LJ United candidate, embracing the promise of the site and representing us all, WE WANT YOU.
If you are tired, dispirited, frustrated... ready to pack it all in, but hanging around on LJ for the sake of your friends, WE WANT YOU. 
If you are tired of watching your friends be targeted, and wonder what will be next, WE WANT YOU.
If you personally have no worries and no fears, but you can't stand LJ's policies anymore, WE WANT YOU.  

Join LJ United.
Let's stand together. 

vague sort-of update

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Hey everyone.

Been a while, hasn't it? Yeah. There isn't much of an update, I don't think, and I'm not sure what to say. I remain of the opinion that LJ isn't really the best home for fandom. The issue, though, is that there aren't a lot of options. People (myself included) aren't going to leave LJ for greener pastures unless the pastures are quite shiny (in terms of awesome features and ease of transition) and their friends are there. A fannish journaling site has the potential to be amazing, but it would definitely not be easy or cheap or smooth sailing. It requires a lot of resources and knowledge and skills that I don't personally have, and I don't know if I could find them. I'm working on it, in a fills-the-empty-spaces-of-my-time sort of way, but there aren't a lot of those.

I still think about it, though, all the time; for a while I was thinking maybe it could live on the Google App Engine, but there's a no-porn policy, so that idea died within about five minutes of inception. It was attractive, though, because it took all the infrastructure issues away. Alas.

So, yeah, I don't know. I'm still thinking and talking and recruiting and brainstorming and occasionally hacking and coming up with insane ideas. Maybe the thing could be distributed, maybe the porn could be encrypted on the server and decrypted by the browser, maybe the thing could be on a pre-existing platform so all we'd need to do is write a few plugins and package everything together, etc. The leaving LJ idea isn't dead, but I'm not as optimistic as I once was that it can happen soon (obviously). So I feel like right now the thing to do is try to make the best of the situation here.

To that end, please vote in the LJ Advisory Board elections. Others have discussed it at length in more eloquent terms than I have time for right now, but the point is that if we want a fannish representative on the board, we need to make our voices heard. There's more information at fandom_votes, so please check it out and vote if you haven't already done so. You've got till Thursday, 9pm PDT.

ETA: There are some comments coming in regarding the status of other projects, so I figured I should link them.

this one got pretty long.

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It's been a weird day, full of pain-fueled pseudo-fever-dreams about fandom. Every few hours I'd wake up, stagger to the computer, read comments until I couldn't do it anymore, and then stagger back to bed. But I am better now, and I've got some Thinky Thoughts to share.

In unfinished business from the last post: InsaneJournal is not run by 6A, nor affiliated in any way. I think perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that they use LJ's code, but that code is open source and free. See this thread, in which the IJ owner explicitly says that they are not affiliated.

In unfinished business from other posts, I believe I have set up all these comms so that any member can post to them. If anyone would like to take cross-posting duties off my hands, that would be full of awesome. You can link back here, or paste the text, or whatever. I'm going to try to get to it tonight tomorrow, but I have about a million comments to respond to first.

In links business, metafandom, as always, rounds up a ton of posts regarding the recent unpleasantness.

Now, on to the new business. I've started this part a million times, and my brain just goes in circles. Hopefully some semblance of coherency will come out somewhere.

I think the first order of business remains getting the word out to as many people in as many fandoms as we possibly can. You guys have been amazing; in less than 48 hours there are 1300+ watchers (!!). I've updated the profile page to be a little more reflective of what's going on and what the issues are.

I guess the thing that concerns me are the people in fandoms saying this doesn't affect them; it's my belief that this affects everyone. Yes, ponderosa121 drew some chan; the piece of art in question was not chan. elaboration was banned for incest. (Correction: Both were suspended for chan.) But leave all that aside for a moment. Say your fandom doesn't involve underage characters or incest. LJ has declared themselves to be arbiters of artistic and literary merit.

Let me say that again. LJ has declared themselves to be arbiters of artistic and literary merit.

Any fandom -- hell, anyone at all, fannish or not -- posting explicit works of art or writing is vulnerable. 6A/LJ is a business. They're here to make money. These are their servers. They can, and will, do as they please. I'm not shocked or surprised or pissed off that this is the route they've chosen. Again, they're a business, and their interest is in turning a profit. And this kind of environment is not good for fandom. For any fandom.

So we need a place of our own. It's really that simple.

Except it's not simple, because which place? Hasn't this been done before? Isn't there a for-fen-by-fen LJ clone out there? There is, in fact. It's JournalFen. nardasarmy has an excellent post about JF that raises a lot of very good points.

One of them is that JF is a fan-run start-up that's slowly going bankrupt. Another is that maybe fandom hates MySpace, but it makes money.

So where does that leave us? Do we reach out to JF, offer them our support and our money and our time? I mean, on the one hand, yes, of course; they're fen and they're doing a cool thing and they deserve support. (On a personal level: yes, I have an account; no, I don't use it; yes, I give them money anyway.)

But the more I've thought about this, the more I can only come to this conclusion: we need to build something new. An LJ-clone site based on paid accounts and donations isn't a sustainable business model in the long-term. And when you bring in corporate help, well, we all know what happens because we're living it right now. In terms of the current LJ-clone sites, they all have some drawbacks; my own concerns are pretty much covered by what astolat has to say here.

Yes, we all like many of LJ's features. We bitch when they change stuff, and we like threaded comments and we like our f-lists and our icons. But don't we want more? Don't we make post after post about man, LJ is cool, but it would be even cooler if it did X? If we could subscribe to individual tags and have functional searching and easily import and export and back up our posts? If we could easily change metadata, integrate with an archive, automate newsletters, moderate RPGs? If there were killfilters and widgets and comments we could edit?

Fuck yeah, it'd be cooler.

And it'd be cooler for everyone, not just Potterfen. So again, I say, we need to build something new. Many of those features are not possible using LJ's code base, and I worry that using it would make us dependent on them for updates and would, to some extent, stick us with their business model, which, I think we agree, is swell for them and bad for fandom.

So there it is. I know this seems completely insane. I know it requires serious developers to write new code and serious money to buy servers and put them wherever we're going to put them and mirror them somewhere else, and serious business people to come up with a way to make this sustainable and serious tech support to ward off spammers and other issues and serious legal types so we can stand our ground when (not if) someone comes after us. This is huge, and I know it. This is not a small undertaking, and I don't take it lightly.

Now, as far as a plan to put this in place, I'm not there yet. Step One is, and always will be, spread the word. Maybe no one likes to admit that there are BNFs, but there are certainly people with a lot of influence in various fandoms, and everyone knows it. Who are they? Are they your friends? Convince them. Or e-mail me and tell me who they are and I'll give it a shot. Maybe they're already here. Who knows. But keep talking and debating and being awesome in the comments.

Step Two has got to be to bring in some honest-to-god help. All those things I mentioned about all the serious people this requires? I'm not any of those things; I'm certainly not all of them. I'm a girl with a dream and an obsessive love of making lists. A committee is clearly in order. I need to think a little more about what sort of committee and how large a committee and all that. Input is, as always, appreciated.

And now that it's five in the morning and I have to be up in a few hours, I'm going to go to bed and dream of fandom.

Much love.

Posted this in comments

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When I wasn't sure if everyone could post here hee.

SUGGESTIONS VERY WELCOME, AGAIN!

This is a suggestion for posts to help gather other fandoms who might not feel affected by these events.

Hello...

Before I begin I do realise it's rather rude to crosspost a copy/pasted bit of prose like this, and I do apologise, but I have very much to say.

On August 3, 2007, two fanartists who draw in the Harry Potter fandom among others (ponderosa and elaboration) were banned from LJ, their accounts permanently suspended, and are not going to be allowed to create new journals in the future (insofar as LJ can stop them, obviously) because (as quoted from LJ representative, here), though "the content does not meet the legal definition of child pornography", they have "chosen not to host" said content. Please read the link above for the complete letter; I don't want to be accused of taking their words out of context.

Apparently fearful of another backlash like the one which took place in May of this year ("Strikethrough '07") the company (LJ and/or Six Apart) has chosen to recode so that all suspended, banned, and deleted accounts are written in bold instead of struckthrough when the lj user tag is used, and do not appear in friends lists on userinfo pages without clicking on "more details" at the bottom, in what appears to be an attempt to hide what they have done. As LJ/6A has not responded in any public way (the above linked letter was sent privately to a specific user) one can only assume that this is because they are aware that what they have done could and would backlash against them negatively.

Why I am posting this in a non-Harry Potter fandom community, and how it affects you; It begins with one fandom and moves on to another.

1. After Strikethrough, Livejournal apologised in news and madeefforts to redeemthemselves. They also posted (twice) in lj_biz in response to the requests for clarification. However their posts and comments were ambiguous at best about what would actually get a user suspended.

2. They may not be legally allowed to change the Terms of Service (ToS) without notice no matter what the ToS says. (just above the list of published fictional works)

3. A quote from the same letter as above:

The standard for artistic merit is not whether a work simply has technical merit; it is whether there is serious artistic value that offsets the sexual nature of the content. A group consisting of members of LiveJournal's Abuse Prevention Team, LiveJournal employees, and Six Apart staff reviewed the content that was reported to us. This group decides whether material potentially in violation of this policy warrants consideration for serious artistic value.

In other words, LJ/6A set aside their own group to determine what you are allowed to create, post, and see on their site, and if they disagree, they can delete your entire LJ without any warning whatsoever and ban you from ever creating a new one, entirely according to their whim.

And that is their right. They claimed that right in the ToS you agreed to upon joining.

It is our right to take our business elsewhere.

Which leads to what I'm asking from you (you knew it would come to this):

1. Join fandom_counts. Joining this community will help us know just how much of Livejournal is made up of those people who consider themselves fans. Of anything. Including civil rights.
2. Getinformed.
3. Join fandom_flies and assist in any way you can, if you want to do it.
4. Read all the comments here. Comment, if the mood strikes you, whether you agree or disagree. The comment board for this post is now full. You can also comment here.

Doing any one of these will help in ways you can't imagine.

I really appreciate your time.

Does anyone know why?

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LJ has suspended the account of thamiris a fandomer with a permanent account, who was just recently deceased. You may still view her account.

*post edit* I was pointed to this article, which mentions the suspension:
http://www.darksiderainbow.net/dr-weekend-edition-080507-livejournal-arouses-the-ire-of-its-usersagain/

apparently, lj uses the suspension tag for certain journals that are memorials, so that the contents cannot be changed. The two people on my flist that brought this to my attention have deleted their posts, and the article has been edited to be less ambiguous, but in the interests of discussion, I'm leaving this post up, unless the mod chooses to delete it.

A question for all of us, regards content that was posted before LJ changed it's TOS. Will LJ honor a grandfather clause, if users have decided to abide by the new TOS, or will we be subject to abuse reports if people troll through our journals years back to find questionable content?

New Report Abuse button

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It seems that we hurt their feelings by mocking their Report Abuse button, so they made NEW ONE:

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"

ETA: It seems that this isn't 'new' button, it's just general button, that covers all 'crimes'. 'Old' button is still in fashion. Jeeez, how long would it take to report something...too many clicks...how could someone bother...:P

Go Team Fandom!

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I was away from the computer most of the day and am only now back and trying to get caught up. A few quick things, and then I swear I'm going to be answering comments and sending e-mail to those of you who've written me and whom I've said I'd e-mail.

First. This comm is open; anyone can post here. I have no desire to be a lone voice in the wilderness; indeed, much of the point of this community is that I am not a lone voice in the wilderness, that there are a lot of people thinking the same thing I'm thinking (fandom needs a new home, in case you have somehow missed that that's what I'm thinking. *grin*). That said, I know everyone is suspicious and jumpy right now, but please, please be careful what you say. If you hear some freaky rumour and it pisses you off, stop. Breathe. Think. Try to verify it. If you can't, go ahead and post, but say it's a rumour. Say you've tried to verify it and can't. Ask if anyone has any information. Do not make accusations or point fingers or yell that the sky is falling. The sky, I assure you, is not falling, and we have quite enough to contend with. When you are able to confirm or deny that rumour, edit your post to reflect it.

ETA: Guys, no memes. Reasonable and mostly constructive discourse, k? Thanks. I'm going to edit the userinfo and add a posting policy so as not to seem quite so capricious. Apologies for not doing it sooner. /ETA.

Second, in the name of following my own rules, I stated earlier that elaboration was suspended for incest. That was incorrect. Like ponderosa121, she was suspended for "drawings depicting minors in explicit situations." (link to her response.)

Third. This is totally turning into a PR nightmare for LJ. Check out the articles here and here. (Thanks to alert readers atropos4 and esteven for the links.)

And, as always, elke_tanzer has a giant collection of links and information well worth checking out.

... and now one of them has got me sidetracked. oceana_'s got a post about LJ and other journaling sites. She comes down on the side of LJ, and her reasons look pretty solid to me. I won't be staying, but I'm not jumping ship tomorrow, either. I mean, really, here I am. Hi, irony.

But in the comments to that post, and in the comments to a LOT of posts I've seen, there seems to be the assumption that whatever we come up with will host illegal material. It will not. That would be... well, it would be illegal. I'm not trying to organize a migration so we have some servers on which we can break the law. I love you people, but I'm not going to jail for hosting illegal material. And the [U.S.] laws on child pornography are really pretty clear. Stories and art depicting fictional characters are not and can never be child pornography. (There's info on this flying around all over the place, but I recommend this as a good starting point.)

This thing that LJ is doing? Is not about enforcing U.S. law. It's about making money. It's about taking the easy way out, and not having to explain to some outraged mother (or, better yet, some outraged advertising exec) that that picture is not, in fact, child pornography. Seriously? What businessperson in their right mind who is trying to make money sides with the HP chanslashers? It's not going to happen.

But it's about more than that. It's actually mostly about working together to build something completely awesome. But back in LJ-land, it's about their shitty customer service. It's about the fact that they refuse to tell us what content is and is not acceptable on their servers. Yes, I concede they are their servers, and they absolutely have the right to host or not host whatever they damn well please. If only they would tell us what that is. But when they do tell us, what they say is that they will be deciding what does and does not have artistic and literary merit. To me, that's unacceptable. There is no legal standard for it, and it allows them to weasel out of making any concrete statements and continue with their asstastic customer service.

/rant. Sorry 'bout that. But at least the sky's still there.

Now comments, and then e-mails, and hopefully that post about features I've been talking about for days.

Yours in somewhat ranty love,
Atra.

Mod stick.

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Guys? Srsly. No memes. No icons. No ads. No spam. No cat macros. (Well, maybe in the comments.)

ETA: Going moderated.

Reach out to More People

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Someone in the news posts mentioned an LJ friend of theres who had no CLUE anything was going on at all.

This is a concern, because that means no everyone who could potentially help with both the protest effort and the movement away from LJ is being reached.

So I'm just asking everyone that if you haven't already posted something about the current situation in your personal journals, something public to reach not only your friends list but everyone who might read your journals, then please do post something now. If this is going to work, if we are all going to manage to get out of here at the same time, then we need to reach out and let as many people know as possible.

Don't just post, encourage everyone to care, get involved, and post. The more we are, the stronger the chain of communication.

~~**Sailorcelestial**~~

Edit: Thanks frabjously for the correction on which place I meant for the posts.

apologies for the lack of ticky boxes.

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Happy Monday, fandom.

Old business: squeaky19, the owner of InsaneJournal, has shown up here to categorically deny that his site has anything to do with Six Apart. In case anyone was still wondering.

More old business: This comm is now moderated. My mod stick grows pokier. Spam me all you like (not that anyone has). Spam the watchers and we have a problem.

Now, on to new business.

I haven't talked to every member of fandom. I haven't read every single thing everyone has to say. But I have read a lot. And fandom seems to be pretty well divided. Shocking, I know, but bear with me. Here's how it shakes out:
  • People who are staying right here, thanks very much

  • People who want to leave
    • People who are looking to jump to an LJ clone
    • People who are not married to that idea
Those who want to move to an LJ clone, please keep an eye on Scribblit (best accomplished by staking out twocorpses' LJ. But she and I have talked, and we have quite different ideas. She wants to put together a journaling site that has some better features and a TOS that doesn't suck. She wants it to be a cool, fun, friendly place to hang out, for fen and non-fen alike.

And that? Is awesome. I encourage you to check it out and support her if you're so inclined.

But me, I have crazy mad plans. I continue to feel that people aren't going anywhere without their friends, and that the people who feel unthreatened by the Sword of 6A Damocles won't move unless they can move someplace shiny. And that means new code, a new site.

I was going to make a poll, but it turns out that free users don't get polls. Fancy that. So we're going to have to do this the old-fashioned way.

So tell me: If you could make the uber-fandom journaling site, what features would it have?

Here's an idea I'm in love with at the moment. You go to make a new post. There's a drop-down menu where you say if it's a regular post or if it's fic (or art, or meta, or whatever). If you go the regular post route, you get something a lot like the LJ update screen. If you're posting fic, there are some fields for you to fill in (title, rating, notes, etc.). When you post it to your journal, you can post it to your website at the same time. Or you can post it to an archive (ideally, otw_news). Don't have a website? Disable that option. Don't write fic? Disable that option.

So let's hear it. Go nuts. I'll share my crack pipe and you tell me your pipe dreams.

Passive Aggressive Stop-gap Measure

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Not sure if anyone has thought of this yet, but if we all were to consume the full amount of our services provided by our paid LJ accounts, we could potentially cost them some serious money.

I’ve been in web hosting a long time, and I can tell you the first rule to making money is oversubscription. They may give us paid account holders 2GB of storage space for our scrapbook and voice posts, but they don’t have 2GB of actual space for every member. Voice posts are a biggie, because there are real costs associated with it (they need to pay for that 800 number, after all). I suggest everyone max out their voice post allotment by calling in until they fill that full 2GB (or whatever your account comes with) up to the max. Sit on the phone humming for an hour, or recite the Constitution over and over. Hell, read the latest Harry Potter into the phone and post it. The more time you spend on the phone, the more it costs SixApart.

Don’t have voice posts on your account? I suggest that you upload as many large pictures as possible to get as close to that scrapbook quota as you can (and tell your friends the same). I think 39,000 people, each with up to 2GB of space, would get some attention.

Most of all, spread the word! We need as many people as possible to upload and record as much as possible to cost them as much as possible. Make pissing off a paid account holder bad for business. They took on the risk that charging only $20/year would cover the costs of running this place, so we need to make sure it hurts them where they seem to care the most: their wallets!

EDIT 8/7/2007 00:03 CDT: D'oh! Didn't look close enough at the FAQ about voice posts. They have a 5 minute limit. Oh well, just upload a bunch of pictures to fill the space.

age restrictions

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Man, I had a great time today reading all the comments in the features post. There's a lot of really good stuff there. Some of it's completely insane, and some of is likely far too server-intensive to be supportable (right away, anyway), but the thing I like most is just, you know, once we stop thinking strictly in LJ terms, it's like this whole new world opens up. And it's a whole new world of awesome.

I've been working on compiling the most asked-for features and discussing them, and I have been working on it on and off for, uh, five hours now! Time for a break. I'm going to try to have it up tomorrow.

In warm-off-the-presses news, looks like bradis leaving 6A for greener pastures. (Like us! (Hopefully!))

antennapedia has written a journal migration tool that will grab all your entries and post them in an LJ clone such as InsaneJournal. It'll run on Mac OSX, most *nix boxen, and Windows machines on which you've installed python. I tried it out and it ported everything to IJ quickly and easily and I feel this is more proof that python scripts can save the world. My corner of it, anyway.

Now, okay, one thing that repeatedly came up in terms of features, and which has come up again and again when talking about the site in general, is the age-restriction issue.

Let me start with what I think is possible, and I happen to think it'd be a nifty bit of code. You create an account. You enter your birthday. Displaying it is up to you. But the system keeps track of what it is. Communities, individual posts, and individual journals can be designated 'mature,' and the system automatically filters younger users out of those posts.

But it would also filter out lurkers. And I kind of like lurkers. I was a lurker once. (And actually, I still kind of consider myself to be one, considering my utter ineptitude at commenting on the posts I read.)What would it mean for us to lock them out of the picture? Sure, there are a lot of fen here on LJ, but no one really knows how many fen are not on LJ. We know they're there, though. How many of you have websites where you track click-through rates? Do your stories get far more clicks than they get reviews? Where does traffic to your site come from? How many of you keep your stories in archives that tell you how many times a story has been viewed? What's the highest viewcount? And how many reviews does that story have? What are the chances that everyone who looks at that archived story has an LJ? Wants an LJ?

There is a great post on this subject here by heyheyrenay. That post links to this one, by litotease, an eloquent lurker who was locked out by all the kneejerk comm and f-locking that happened after Strikethrough. Check it out. Read comment after comment saying, "if fandom locks down, I'm locked out."

And the shiny code to designate 'adult' communities? Would lock those communities down.

So... I don't know, guys. I really don't. My inclination is always, always to go with inclusion. What does everyone else think?

Making the migration... slowly - help?

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The bane of the Mac user's LJ life is the number of reasonably decent posting clients that are out there that eventually develop bugs, but are no longer developed. I've been through XJournal, iJournal, Phoenix and DeepestSender. Blurgh.

Can someone recommend a current Mac program that will let me simultaneously post to LJ, IJ, GJ, et al? I know a bunch of PC folk who have found a way to do it, but I haven't seen anything around for the Mac. Thanks!

the tentative plan.

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The current unpleasantness has hit CNET again. This comm is linked at the bottom.

And, see, what happens when I post and then go to bed is that I wake up to 150 comments that I've only been able to skim. But I did skim over something a few times that needs addressing.

A few people have (rightly) brought up the question, "Okay, this sounds totally shiny, but, uh, how much is it going to cost?"

The answer is, honestly, I have no idea. But what I do have is a plan. It goes like this: I assemble a small, crack team of developers. (This part is in the works.) We build the shiny. They're all volunteers, so this won't happen overnight. However, I don't think it's going to take a year, either. We release and open it up to limited beta. I will front the cash for that myself (and also for the lawyer to write the TOS). I am not about to ask for money for an unproven product and system. If the site is popular, and if it looks like it's going to take off, and if there is demand, we incorporate as a non-profit, appoint a board, and start the fundraising to buy some hardware. If it doesn't look like it's going to take off, hey, everyone who worked on it has a cool project to put on their resumes. Fandom moves to an LJ clone, and life goes on.

Throughout this process, I intend to be as open and transparent as possible. I intend to solicit feedback from fandom every step of the way.

Is it perfect? No. Is it fraught with danger? Maybe. Will I get any sleep in the next year? Doubtful. Is it something? Yeah. I feel like... I don't know. There's something in the air. It's time. This feels different and exciting and new, and maybe this plan is insane but I think it'd be equally insane to sit here and do nothing at a time like this. We have to try, dammit, and if we try and fail, so be it.

So. I have a bunch of e-mails to write to volunteers, but in the meantime, here's the list of starry-eyed optimists I'm looking for:
  • 2-3 pythonistas, anal about test-driven (& agile) development, familar with version control
  • 1 db god (mysql or postgres pref.)

Any takers? Comment or e-mail me (atrata at gmail.com).

(Er, if you fit one of these things and have ALREADY volunteered, I promise I will send you e-mail in the very near future. I've got a little folder of people who've kindly volunteered, and I need to look at everything in that folder more closely. That said, it wouldn't hurt to send me another e-mail, because I'm drowning in it and my mail client has been very, very weird about actually delivering my mail lately.)

Love! So much love.

Article 12

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For Everyone, (from fandom_action):

This all began with 6A/Livejournal's lack of reliability when it comes to the TOS. This is the open letter to Livejournal and Six Apart by bubble_blunder requesting (very eloquently, I might add) clarification of the TOS and other recent concerns. I suggest anyone who plans on keeping their livejournal and even anyone who doesn't to read it and sign if they agree. It can't hurt; After all, we might be here for another couple months. There are over sixteen pages of "signatures"; I just signed the seventeenth.

Especially regarding the United States, obscenity and copyright:

Here synecdochic writes the most important thing I've read regarding fandom this week. First of all, obscenity law in the USA doesn't care if the minor depicted in a sexual explicit situation actually exists. Last year John McCain introduced a bill to further lock down on "child pornography." One that would require any website, or "social network," supporting the suspected material to report it, and report all the real-world identities and ages of its users.

Rep. Steven Chabot (R-OH) has introduced a bill that strengthens copyright laws. This bill modifies existing laws to make it possible for you to be charged criminally for copyright infringement and increases the penalty for such infringements. While this law is mostly designed to help the RIAA and MPAA send people who use P2P networks to jail (and make more money), it could also be applied to the fandom world.

Because it could also result in 6A being held criminally liable for hosting what some might report as "illegal" fanfic and/or fanart, it is very important that this measure not be passed. If you click on the link below, there is a form you can fill out to automatically have your local politicians notified that you oppose this measure.

https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr011=y2q7x9mp21.app2a&cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=299
This is our first chance to act as a community for our rights. Lets make sure we stand up for what we believe in.


fandom_action

Both of these links are courtesy of ithiliana. More information can be found in their journal and at fandom_action. Even after we've moved to a new home, thankfully far, far away from 6A and their iffiness, these issues will still exist elsewhere, but we can begin preparing for and acting on them now.

LJ_BIZ UPDATE

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Copy/pasted:
Illegal and Harmful Content Policy Clarifications
We are sorry it has taken so long to address the concerned community members. From reading the recent comments there's a lot of misinformation regarding the two users who were permanently suspended on Friday. In this post we're going to try and condense and reiterate all of our recent policy clarifications as well as address the most frequent questions we've seen.

To begin, we'd like to restate our policy on illegal and harmful content:

Our goal is to encourage and promote a free and open community. We will only intervene to the extent needed to remove illegal and harmful content that is reported to us.

I. Content which violates LiveJournal’s policy against illegal and harmful content is:

a. Content that intrinsically violates existing United States or California law; in other words, where merely possessing, displaying or transmitting the content is a crime. This includes child pornography and threats against the President and successors to the Presidency.

b. Content that encourages or advocates hate crimes, the abuse of children in any form, or rape, even if the content itself is not illegal and may be protected by the First Amendment. This portion of the policy reflects the especially reprehensible nature of these activities; users who encourage or advocate these acts, regardless of their motivation, are simply not welcome on LiveJournal.

c. Content that solicits the commission of, seeks customers for, or provides instructions for illegal activities that would cause immediate and lasting physical or economic harm to others.

Review Process

II. We do not review content until it is reported to us. We will accept all reports of material that is reported to us, regardless of the source, but we will only take action when that material violates our policies.

III. Reports of policy violations must include the full URL(s) of the content to be reviewed.

IV. We will review private content for violations of this policy only if the report provides a reasonable basis for us to believe that there is a violation. We will not review private content in response to an unsubstantiated report that there is a violation “somewhere” in a private journal or community.

Actions where violations are questionable

V. We recognize that the nature of this policy is such that there may be edge cases in which policy violations are not clear. When this is the case, the reported content is reviewed by Abuse Prevention Team members, LiveJournal staff and Six Apart management regarding what action to take.

In such cases, other publicly viewable portions of the journal or community may be reviewed to determine if other clear or potential violations of this policy exist, which may serve as additional context for making a more informed decision.

----------End Policy Statement------------

Because this still leaves people with questions and concerns about this policy, here are some more answers to the most frequent questions we've seen.

* How do these policies apply to images of minors who are not real?

To ensure that we are compliant with child pornography laws, we have decided to treat any content which contains a graphic visual depiction of a minor (anyone under the age of 18, as defined by Federal and California state law) engaged in sexually explicit conduct as a violation of our policy regarding illegal content (see this link for definitions of graphic, visual depiction, and sexually explicit conduct). We feel this approach creates the clearest guidelines possible for users to follow and for the Abuse Prevention Team to enforce, and minimizes the risk of an incorrect evaluation of material. In short, we want to eliminate child porn from being hosted on LiveJournal.


* How do these policies apply to text?

Written material -- fictional or not –- is also subject to Federal laws. But as we stated in a previous post, over the years we've looked at thousands of reported journals and communities and we rarely have come across a case of creative fiction or fanfic text that warrants review.

* How is LiveJournal determining whether figures depicted in drawings/artwork are underage?

A number of factors are involved in making this determination. Any stated age of the individuals present, the apparent age of the people or characters present in an image, and outside knowledge of the person or character's age are all taken into consideration. The only one of these factors which can be evaluated alone is how characters present in the image are drawn, and this is only done when there is simply no other information available to help determine age.

* Does content that is posted behind a friends lock, as private or under a custom friends filter have to conform to the same standards of acceptability as content that is available publicly? Does content posted on a journal that contains advertising have to conform to the same standard?

Yes, these are held to the same standards. Content must first be reported to the Abuse Prevention Team. If the report contains information which gives the team a reasonable expectation to find a serious violation of our policies present, they will investigate. If there is no strong evidence provided to give the Abuse Prevention Team reasonable expectation of finding a major violation of our policies, the content will not be reviewed.

* What is the correct avenue for a user to take if they would like to appeal a suspension?

Users wishing to appeal their suspension can submit a request to our Abuse Prevention Team as outlined at http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=105.

* If a paid or permanent account holder is suspended is there any avenue available for them to request a refund from LiveJournal and/or Six Apart for their unused paid time? If not, can you give a reason for this?

As stated in our Terms of Service, "Paid accounts are nontransferable and non-refundable." While a limited number of exceptions to this rule are made under some circumstances, accounts suspended for violations of the Terms of Service will not be refunded.

*Can a warning system be put into place regarding prohibited content, much the same way that there is a 3 strikes rule in place for copyright violation complaints instead of banning users on their first offense?

Content that meets this definition is likely to be illegal under child pornography laws so we cannot continue to host it after it has been reported to us and we have reviewed it. Users wishing to appeal their suspension can submit a request to our Abuse Prevention Team as outlined at http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=105.


* Do you plan to change the Terms of Service to reflect this policy?

No. The Terms of Service is not a document designed to detail every specific situation. Specifically, the content covered by this policy consists of various violations of Section XVI, Part 1, or content that is unlawful, harmful, abusive, obscene, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.

--------End Q&A-----------

We recognize that some of you may dislike this stance, disagree with how we implement the policy, or disagree with our evaluation of certain content. Our goal is to keep the site running, thriving and growing, and to that end we must take a firm stance on illegal content. We appreciate the community's engagement in this issue and have put a lot of thought and effort into making our policy as easy as possible for the community to understand.

Some of you took offense to a comment made by one of our staff members burr86 in a community dedicated to ironic humor. No one is perfect, and in this case he exercised bad judgment, especially since his jokes made him seem to feel the opposite of how he really does. We are positive that his intention was merely to blow off a little steam in a highly stressful and intense situation, and he did not mean to belittle these issues or fandom as a whole. Abe is an active member of the LJ community and does a tremendous amount of great things for the community behind the scenes. We have reminded our team to be respectful of possible interpretations of their comments at all times.

One thing we've heard loud and clear through all of this is that you want us to do better in our communications to the community. We appreciate people like bubble_blunder 's efforts to help aggregate and articulate concerns of the community like he attempted to do in his open letter. How can we do better? We welcome your suggestions in the comments.

Official statements in the lj_biz post (title taken from the post with the links in question)

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Hi everyone!

I just wanted to send you over to this post, in which the lovely user aura218 compiled a nifty list of all official statements from LJ staffers on the most recent post on lj_biz.

On a personal note, I believe that rachel isn't an official worker of LJ/SixApart.She is! Just found out. Sorry for the mix up. Also, it seems she copied word per word a paragraph from another user. Original post here and rachel's response to someone else, here. If you scroll down to the very bottom, the original writer of these words even says that she's unsettled that she was basically copied from.
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